Hud (1963) – Melvyn Douglas
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@lray1948 that is sad, but the movie is almost 50 years old. Brandon De wilde dying so young is tragic though
The other golden scene in this movie occurs when Hud explains to his nephew why he hates himself, and the nephew should hate him too.
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@shaneu1
true, if you watch the film with that conviction from the outset, ignoring the words he speaks, the meaning behind them, and forgetting not only the things Hud does but the things he doesn’t do.
the reality is that when it comes to the fine details, your moral convictions are your own, and nobody else’s will ever match them, so stop acting like you have ownership over absolute morality, please
@romancandlefight Not intelligence, dear boy/lady, no. Just cunning, stealth, sheer gall, and bullying. It doesn’t require much intelligence to crown some pathetic cuckold with antlers.
@shaneu1
actually that’s not true at all. The one time he tries to snatch something by force is when he’s obscenely drunk, the rest of the time he charms or outwits others around him with superior intelligence and flair.
@romancandlefight Hud is a “helluva guy” in the same sense that Bernard Madoff was a “helluva guy.” Compare “Hud” to another of Newman’s memorable characters, Lucas “Cool Hand Luke” Jackson, who was a genuine rebel, at least according to the A. Camus conception thereof. Hud lacked even that redeeming trait. He was an empty shell who lived solely in what the Hindus call “the lower chakra,” driven entirely by his base appetites, satisfying them without regard to the hurt he inflicted on others.
@romancandlefight Sounds to me as if you have been reading too much of that purveyor of pulp, Ayn Rand, and her amoral “objectivism.”
….and to answer your question I’d rather not adopt a reformee, or anyone else, but if I had a Hud for a son (assuming here they come post-raised), I would try to relate to him and help him out of his pretty tragic circumstances, not shut him away in a cage and wash my hands of it… that would be a waste of a helluva guy!
p.s. wouldn’t Alex DeLarge be classed as a psychotic? I think that’s a different issue.
@shaneu1
It seems to me Huds have the same animal in them as we do. The film gives many hints about Hud being a Lon who grew up in different circumstances. It is understandable to me for someone to take out a measure of the shit that befalls them on other people. Hud does so on himself more than others though, I think, while Homer ends up taking out his on the son he failed to raise.
What would you like to see done to these people you so despise, anyway?
@romancandlefight “Hud” is animalistic in the sense that, like a wild creature or a barnyard domestic, his entire life plays out between his gut and his gonads. He lacks the capacity to bring reason into control over the bestial and appetitive. He’s subhuman, in a way. A read of Plato would do you good. Now, I’ve a query for you. Would you like to have a son like Hud? Perhaps you can adopt one. Just troll through any juvenile reformatory or penal institution. You might even get Alex DeLarge.
@shaneu1
It seems to me Homer’s moral instruction is not something he’s felt out for himself, but an arbitrary standard he has chosen to believe in simply because it was there before, and then chooses chauvinistically to judge others by it.
What ‘abominable behaviors’ are you referring to? “Animalistic” is an easy derision to make of anyone’s behaviour, but lacks definition.. Could you be more specific? In what way are Homer’s actions any less animalistic?
@romancandlefight Your moral relativism is the kind of thing that rightly offends Homer. I find a bit obscure your reference to “wrote (sic) morals like Homer….” As for being “simply human,” we have reached a point at which far too many abominable behaviors are excused with a shrug and tossed off with the meaningless phrase, “Well, he (she) is only human.” Homer sees a world in which principles and standards have become meaningless, one in which humans have descended to the level of animals.
@shaneu1
…and with his life’s work seemingly impending decimation by an indifferent government (or his father), the naive faith in people Lon expresses is in Hud continually suppressed/eroded, and his behaviour has become self-destructive, caring little for life-for-the-sake-of-life, or love-for-the-sake-of-morality.
@shaneu1
I think I’ve met a lot of ‘Huds’ in real life, and I don’t think they’re fundamentally narcissistic, or sociopathic. Hud seems to me to have a real but embittered love for the people close to him, not based on wrote morals like Homer, whose beliefs (including: ‘do what you’re told and all will be well’) have proven unworkable or meaningless in the real world. He is simply human: Having lost his mother and brother, despised by his father and treated with hostility by other men…
@romancandlefight I can’t agree with your take on Homer’s lament. In essence, Homer describes Hud as an amoral, narcissistic sociopath. Hud would have “manipulated the masses” had he the opportunity; he certainly manipulated, exploited, and hurt those in his narrow little west Texas world. Homer’s comment is intended to warn Lon against emulating a low-life like his uncle. I just don’t see any rational basis for the spin you placed on Wild Horse Homer’s evaluation of his sociopathic son.
@shaneu1
the people bannon admires are probably much worse. The heroes of history are usually ‘honourable’ in that they seem to have fought for our interests, but in doing so have been instrumental in the exploitation or murder of others. At least Huds don’t have the egotism or self-righteousness to be interested in manipulating the masses for their personal gain
If I were wanting to learn how to write a good movie scene, this would certainly be a good example to follow.
@RichardElden I suppose you mean Eugene McCarthy.
@arkee71 It’s one of those rare films that can be seen time and again, but one never tires of it and always discovers something new with each viewing.
@shaneu1 youre totally right..i just watched the movie again ….as a i havent seen it in awhile…please accept my apology for the the hasty correction…at any rate i hope we both agree that this movie and paul newman are great…thanks
@RichardElden Oooooohhhh. Better watch out. Commies are everywhere! Perhaps in your very own domicile!! Boris Badenov himself may well be hiding under your futon!!